Manson tied up the couple, then ordered Watson, Atkins, Krenwinkel and a fourth clan member, Leslie Van Houten, into the house. Low level of intelligence: thinking a socialist was going to turn the United States into an idealist utopia where college was free, black people got reparations and Marijuana grew wild for all to partake. I care what holes there are in her testimony and where those holes actually leadI can dig that. She seems to have done the exact opposite of Linda with her life- which just goes to show you, even in the worst of circumstances- people can make their own fate. ?I've stated many a time that my heart goes out to many people on all sides of this saga.But TLB blogs aren't essentially about the relatives of the victims are they ? How do we know she didn't take part in some act of violence?We don't know she wouldn't kill. var part3 = "GW at Mansonblog dot com"; Her contentious relationship with her stepfather eventually led to her dropping out of her high school and running away from her home. Manson Blog Proves the Updated Manson File is Fiction! MY double talk is meant to show there are, at least, two sides to every person's STORY (especially Linda's) AND I don't hate ANYONE, except maybe MYSELF. It doesn't make sense to suppose that they're all independently connected just because you don't want to accept the overall result and certain aspects that led to that result. If Perry and other legal dramas were like real life in courtrooms, few would watch them !You are trained, instead, to focus on "indicia of credibility and reliability"That's partly why people on trial will dress "respectably." She returned for her a few months later, after the ranch was raided and Tanya was placed in foster care. Ya know- Bugs was never going to use Linda if Susan hadn't flipped on her decision to cooperate.One wonders how he would have spun Sadie if he needed her instead of turning this obvious piece of trash into a little angel?? Low self esteem because she was overweight or other childhood issues? Might be a good post though. Linda Kasabian, Charles Manson follower who helped send him to prison ... Now taken into considering the location this apparently took place. Pat never admitted to it though it was in her thought process, just not as the specific reason for being at Cielo. Her testimony was the biggest key to finding Manson and his followers guilty, and Kasabian was given immunity. That, of course, rather obviously is directed at Charles Manson. Neither Susan nor Linda were major league contributors to HS in the grand scheme of things.I guess we'll never know, but there are many people wondering how different things would have been had Pat never daubed "Healter Skelter" on the LaBianca's fridge.There are several occasions where he brings out testimony he doesn't need for a conviction just to make her look goodThere are more than several occasions when Kanarek brings out testimony he doesn't really need just to make her look bad. Women Share Odd Names Their Moms & Mothers-In-Law Chose Instead Of Grandma— 'Girlfriend, Hottie, Possum' Are Just A Few, Worker Drafts A Harsh Email After The PTO Wasn’t Approved — ‘My Hotel Is Already Booked And Paid For’, Man Mocks His Former High School Bully Who Is Now Homeless But Gets Backlash. Manson Mythos said...The problem is Grim, Bugliosi painted a portrait of her as being different. 'Drunkenness' is perhaps the perfect example of a mental controversy ? The TLB story, maybe above all others, is NOT a black/white or good/bad story. "Journey into Darkness" is a good start. While the attorneys dropped the defense on the ground's they didn't want their clients to commit suicide, Fitzgerald at least voiced the opinion it would have been suicide for Manson as well, as it would have only proven Bugliosi's case right.What is funny, is that Manson is demonized for supposedly trying to make the girls take the rap to save him. I should have found a way and not gone over the fence and run down the hill. During her 18 days on the witness stand, she held firm against attacks by the defense team and Manson, whose attempts at intimidation included making throat-slashing gestures at her. Deemers doesn't have her even having one but since Mark Ross and others are on the list he must have been updating after she got picked up? It was at this point of time that she got associated with the Manson family and became a part of their horrific crimes. https://web.archive.org/web/20021014185811/http://www.mansonmurders.com/kasabianreport.htmlhttps://web.archive.org/web/20001003172732/http://www.mansonmurders.com/kasabian.htmlBasically lovely Little Tonya ended up in State Prison for drugs. "Also as stated somewhere earlier, it didn't need some bogus story about a Lebanese actor to cover any Linda murder mania, not when 2 of the murderers had previously told police and other witnesses that she hadn't killed anyone.Given that no one was charged with even the attempted murder of or conspiracy to murder Saladin Nader, one might have to conclude you're chucking exhibits from that box of red herrings again....."The problem is Grim, Bugliosi painted a portrait of her as being different. I wonder if he and Fleischmann were on friendly terms..... Saint, If you are referring to that post above, I think that is entirely consistent with HS. Her marriage later fell apart. She wasn't on her own for very long, though. We believe there to be more than one motive. Before I graduated my draft lottery number was 289. Here is an example. We dress them up, change their hair and even work on body language (see, RH comment above). She remained outside as the lookout while the others entered the house and within a few minutes heard the “horrifying sounds” of Tate and her house guests pleading for their lives. Linda Kasabian - Charles Manson, Family & Facts - Biography In a 2009 docu-drama by Cineflex, she elaborated her story for the first time in detail. Even if she was alone for as long as 2 or 3 minutes, a pregnant, tied, tired, scared {described by Atkins as "going out of her mind"} Sharon wasn't The Fugitive on TV who would take the first possible opportunity to effect escape.From the confusion that all of the perps have spoken of that night, what I've gleaned is that we have all the details of what happened at Cielo but the order of events has never been clear after Jay was shot. Many of those important questions were answered because they could be answered. As for the night of LaBianca, it's so shrouded in mystery and there are so many questions that I am not exactly sure what his role was. The key impact of both crimes is that Conspiracy to Commit Murder and Felony Murder do not require the defendant to actually kill anyone or even be present when someone is murdered to be guilty of murder. We all know that the Saint is a good guy. Linda Kasabian, Charles Manson follower who helped send him to prison ... It also partly explains why she never went to LE {not that that was uppermost in her considerations !}. Retrospectively however.....Linda K. is the perfect choise for examination IF you want to discover a more human side of the Manson Family StoryThat tends to be my chosen angle of approach because for me, it is a very human story, encompassing a large scope of culture, society, rebellion against it, motivation etc. How about the ones who went into service and spent the war stateside?BTW: I was one of the cowards who got a college degree during that time. QUICK FACTS Name: Linda Kasabian Birth Year: 1949 Birth date: June 21, 1949 Birth State: Maine Birth City: Biddeford Birth Country: United States Gender: Female Best Known For: Linda. :). And perhaps whatever incident was going down with each of them at that moment, it took precedence over Sharon. She seized the opportunity to escape, leaving her daughter Tanya behind because the child had been taken to a remote location with other Manson family children. !GO HOME!!! It was through Charles Melton that she came into contact with Catherine Gypsy Share, a member of Manson family. Who Is She: Atkins was a devoted Manson Family member — and one of its most violent. Linda Kasabian was a 20-year-old hippie with a young daughter when she met .css-47aoac{-webkit-text-decoration:underline;text-decoration:underline;text-decoration-thickness:0.0625rem;text-decoration-color:inherit;text-underline-offset:0.25rem;color:#A00000;-webkit-transition:all 0.3s ease-in-out;transition:all 0.3s ease-in-out;}.css-47aoac:hover{color:#595959;text-decoration-color:border-link-body-hover;}Charles Manson and moved to his desert ranch in July 1969. It must have taken a lot of time and effort to research and put this post together. MM said: This supports the copy cat motive. At least ONE Black man personally died in the jungles of Vietnam so HE could get a FREE Blow-Job. How did Linda's teachers report on her behavior? Hell no, it wasn't even life in jail at the time, it was death in the gas chamber.Please offer some proof that this or something similar is the case. That was given, was a given...I committed to what Tex said...."Which, I guess, tells one anything, something or nothing. Talks about how she had to put real strength into stabbing a human because it wasn't like cutting meat. WOW! There are several occasions where he brings out testimony he doesn't need for a conviction just to make her look good. Robert Hendrickson said..."robbery" gone BAD.Well Dah ! "I am here because I wanted to tell the truth. Linda Ronstadt Biography, Albums, Net Worth and Facts. "It's a different world and it's not even the same ocean." Reading the transcript, sometimes one has to go over his words two or three times and even then they don't line up. It's kind of passed into folklore that that is the reason but no reason has ever been actually given. She was roped up, struggling with it according to Susan.Even as you're describing all this, even if it all took place simultaneously or bit by bit, the time frame could not have been long. Yes, it is common for lawyers to try to project a favorable image of their witnesses, especially a witness as 'key' to the case as Kasabian. In fact only Tex knew. And some members of the killer's families such as Leslie's dad or one of Tex's siblings might have lived for years haunted by what someone they loved was capable of doing.My original point in the above post was just to say that old cliche of being impossible to judge a person or situation unless you walk a mile in their shoes. BUT even self-hate can have positive results and be a driving force for good.Supposedly there has been ONLY one person planted on this earth who was ALL good, but even HE committed assault & battery on "innocent" victims. var part3 = "Matt at Mansonblog dot com"; I guess what I am saying is that people like Linda - and yes, even Tex - may be victims of their own bad wiring, NOT to the point of excusing what they have done...but certainly warranting more thought than just slapping the bad or evil tag on them. In view of the unbelievably savage nature of these murders, and in view of the fact that hardly anything at all was taken from either the Tate or the LaBianca residences, and in view of all the other evidence in this case, including the statements of Manson, Watson, and Atkins that I have just referred to, a conclusion that these seven murders were perpetrated to help carry out some burglary or robbery would not seem to be consistent with the evidence in this case. The figures show that 86% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasians, 12.5% were black, 1.2% were other races. Remember, Al Springer testified that he liked Tex most of all in the Family. Contents Linda kasabian interview 1988 tate murder sepcial part 1 Early life That was about all we had" speaks volumes, not to mention his thought at the end of '69 that Manson could well be acquitted and his feeling that it could turn out to be better for Linda to be tried & acquitted than testify against the Family.there are occasions too numerous to count in the Tate-LaBianca trial where he 'leads' his key witness to the answer he wantsTrue, but it's an answer that he wants already knowing that answer. Grim, I have to disagree with you a bit. Let me simplify it: Up until the Nadar story that Bugliosi and Linda told...There was evidence that Linda wasn't capable of murder like the others. SorryDo no such thing ! You said Kreneinkle said it. Where Are Manson Girls Now Leslie, Susan, Patricia 2019 - Refinery29 She is a good person, who became involved with the wrong people. She covered public education and filled a variety of editing assignments before joining “the dead beat” – news obituaries – where she has produced artful pieces on celebrated local, national and international figures, including Norman Mailer, Julia Child and Rosa Parks. Later in 2009, Cineflix Production Company tracked her down and in their docu-drama titled Manson she elaborated on what happened during her four week time with the Manson family. Strike Two! Please consult your doctor before taking any action. Now, give me an approximation.A. Uh oh, not being a 'motive guy' I best stay out of this. You are all welcome. Her testimony eventually led to their conviction. THUS, when America finally converts to a pure "socialist" society, "money won't mean anything" and "Helter Skelter" will become a moot issue in such a highly progressive society.BTW; It was Charles Manson who said: "money won't mean anything and the people on the bottom will be on the top." He also wasn't interested as long as they had Susan even though it was reluctantly.That all said, have a look at this interesting piece from Col Scott's site 7 years ago and tell me what you think. Thing is though, it can be hard to spot or be conclusive at the time because it feels kind of heavy to assume a child or teenager is on the road to ruin due to things they might have done or be doing that haven't yet bloomed into something that everyone holds their heads in their hands about.That job as an aide at a nursing home sounds so kind and sweet.....Perhaps I'm cynical, and she found joy sponge bathing a freshly soiled seniorI don't think you were being any more cynical than anyone else gets when discussing Mrs K and I don't think she was a nursing home aide out of some strong desire to replicate Florence Nightingale. Grim, I love you to death and read everything you post but you have a tendency to 'move the goal posts' which makes responding to you rather difficult. Linda Kasabian, Charles Manson follower who helped send him to ... - MSN Now, when you say the middle of the night do you mean 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning or do you mean midnight? The Last of the Manson Girls, Sharon Tate-The Biography Sharon Tate Book 2011, The Manson File- Myth and Reality of an Outlaw Shaman, Vanity Fair April 2011 interview w/Charlie in Spanish. Those failed strategies are ineffective in bringing about change. As long as that question hung in the air unanswered, the jury would have a hard time believing Linda Kasabian and Bugliosi's claim that out of all these people who were fully ready, willing and able to murder for Charles Manson, there was one out of the group who happened to be an angel who thought it was simply a "creepy crawl mission".Not only did he answer that question, there was an entire scenario where not only was she asked and had a weapon put in her hand, but one in which she also proved to be a hero and thwart the plan and save a life! LISTEN Carefully, Dreath is telling US the LaBianca house was a "robbery" gone BAD.Well Dah ! Yes, if you stop at the Grand Jury he has no case against Kasabian as it's inadmissible and/or it was all he had. So WHY was Bugliosi and or the DA so obsessed with getting Charles Manson instead ?Bottom line question Robert; do you think Manson was guilty as charged or not ? Therefore, as far as I can see, the description of Linda as a hippy, as was understood by those not in sympatico with any countercultural thought, is pretty accurate. That's not the way I use it at all. At the age of sixteen, she married Robert Peasley; however, the marriage did not last long and ended just after a few months. Once the Manson crew arrived on Cielo Drive, the nightmare began. After the bulk of her testifying, the judge was petitioned and he signed the papers.How does Linda represent the "Human" side of the Manson story?? Back then nashua was a small town in nh.Also i personally talked to someone who picked her up hitchiking in nh the 70s.He said she was pregnant must of been her second child. But they also shine a light on the crimes themselves. Her testimony eventually led to the convictions of Manson, Watson, Atkins, Krenwinkel, and Van Houten.
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